Why sooooo long!!!!
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Why sooooo long!!!!
You guys sure are slow.
Ultima 7 took 2 years to make but you guys have taken 4 years to release Version 1 of Exult.In that time I could have made Ultima9 with its original plot and even UO3.
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Ultima 7 took 2 years to make but you guys have taken 4 years to release Version 1 of Exult.In that time I could have made Ultima9 with its original plot and even UO3.
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
If you think you *could* do better, then why don't you?
Quit complaining, we did this for free. It's not like you are paying Exult.
-Colourless Dragon
Quit complaining, we did this for free. It's not like you are paying Exult.
-Colourless Dragon
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Are you seriously asking this?
If not I have a good laugh and please ignore the following:
No one of the Exult team gets paid for working on Exult. Everyone of us has other interests, real life and a job to attend to. We all live miles away from each other (except Willem and Fingolfin at the moment who, by coincidence live in the same city right now).
And the most important reason: Unlike the U7 developers who knew everything about the scripting language (Usecode) that got used we had to painfully find out how it was "compiled" and then how it worked.
For all that I'm actually proud that we made it so fast.
Always remember the original team worked for Origin full time and I guess they spent at least 40 hours per week (and this low number is highly uinlikely in game development) on coding the game...
If not I have a good laugh and please ignore the following:
No one of the Exult team gets paid for working on Exult. Everyone of us has other interests, real life and a job to attend to. We all live miles away from each other (except Willem and Fingolfin at the moment who, by coincidence live in the same city right now).
And the most important reason: Unlike the U7 developers who knew everything about the scripting language (Usecode) that got used we had to painfully find out how it was "compiled" and then how it worked.
For all that I'm actually proud that we made it so fast.
Always remember the original team worked for Origin full time and I guess they spent at least 40 hours per week (and this low number is highly uinlikely in game development) on coding the game...
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Lord G-string, you've been following the project long enough to know as well as anyone that Exult was "finished" with its original goals long ago. This 1 just another number. Exult is much improved over the original U7, and I suspect it will continue to be improved in the future.
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
"Of course you know, this means" flame-bait.
And the Original BG and SI teams spent upwards of 70 hours a week full time to code the games. It was their job, while Exult is these creators' hobby. Exult is probably one the most creative expressions to revive not one, but two old games. Other people try to emulate an old game's PC environment. Exult recreates the entire game while utilizing the original files.
Don't worry about this poster guys. There will always be someone who trys to rain on a good parade. If he returns, ask him what games he has coded.
And the Original BG and SI teams spent upwards of 70 hours a week full time to code the games. It was their job, while Exult is these creators' hobby. Exult is probably one the most creative expressions to revive not one, but two old games. Other people try to emulate an old game's PC environment. Exult recreates the entire game while utilizing the original files.
Don't worry about this poster guys. There will always be someone who trys to rain on a good parade. If he returns, ask him what games he has coded.
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Ahh! I see where your calculations are wrong! You forgot to note that we also
support SI (and SS, along with FOV), which appears to have been released about
18-24 months after U7. So logically, we went from nothing to v1.0 on a part-time
basis, in the same time it took the original U7 team to go from nothing to full
release on a full time basis. Rather impressive, IMO. *grin*
So... any game companies noting our superb performance and looking to hire
a team of experienced game developers?
Darke
(Always eager to be paid money to do what he does for free. *grin*)
support SI (and SS, along with FOV), which appears to have been released about
18-24 months after U7. So logically, we went from nothing to v1.0 on a part-time
basis, in the same time it took the original U7 team to go from nothing to full
release on a full time basis. Rather impressive, IMO. *grin*
So... any game companies noting our superb performance and looking to hire
a team of experienced game developers?
Darke
(Always eager to be paid money to do what he does for free. *grin*)
how sick
>>In that time I could have made Ultima9 with its original plot and even UO3.
Yeah, and in that time I could've built a spaceship with my own hands. *yawn* Give us a break!
Yeah, and in that time I could've built a spaceship with my own hands. *yawn* Give us a break!
Dino the Dark Dragon
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Ahhh come on guys don't be so mean. Just thank him for voluntering and if he isn't done if four years then break his thumbs.
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
"""Dear""" Lord G:
I´ve just returned to this phorum after a few days... and I´ve said your post which has filled me with hope. What the hell are you waiting for to release Exult 50.00 bug-free?!! I´d be grateful to see it! Oh! Some Ultima X would be cool as well. And I want to see these within a year and Open Sourced...
Well, it´s always good to meet such a holier-than-everybody-coding person who´s impatient for collaborating (how collaborating?!; making it himself) on this project...
Now, Lord G, you should code FAST...
-Such abuse of sarcasm will be used in the future to attend posts like Lord G´s one. I could even improve it with no costs at all-
I´ve just returned to this phorum after a few days... and I´ve said your post which has filled me with hope. What the hell are you waiting for to release Exult 50.00 bug-free?!! I´d be grateful to see it! Oh! Some Ultima X would be cool as well. And I want to see these within a year and Open Sourced...
Well, it´s always good to meet such a holier-than-everybody-coding person who´s impatient for collaborating (how collaborating?!; making it himself) on this project...
Now, Lord G, you should code FAST...
-Such abuse of sarcasm will be used in the future to attend posts like Lord G´s one. I could even improve it with no costs at all-
-Zósite K.S. from Moonlightshadow-
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
THis kind of stuff happends all the time over on uostratics- SnR forums. Im accustumed to it.
-Shamino96
-Shamino96
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
"You guys sure are slow."
Ahh, this must be some strange usage of the word 'slow' that I was previously unware of. Honestly, you guys (Exult Team) did a great job!
Ahh, this must be some strange usage of the word 'slow' that I was previously unware of. Honestly, you guys (Exult Team) did a great job!
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Mmmm... I wonder if he even has a copy of U7, let along a legit one. Doubtful!
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Well just to take the heat out of the thread. I am a programmer myself and I know what glorious job Jeff and the other did on Exult. Knowing that you bascially had to reverse engineer an entire language or even a VM system ( I expect the usecode compiles into a VM) doing a full blown game engine on top of that and even having to find out about all the data files format about yourself, I doubt Origin with it´s high budget and lots of programmers who worked on the original U7 could have done that in that time.
As for the original poster, you don´t know how tedious the whole reverse engineering process on a binary level is, basically you stand in front of sheer numbers and try to guess the whole thing works and trying the brute force way to get a response. Its completely different to having a nice spec and then doing an implementation on top of it. I personally don´t think I could have done it, maybe I could, but it would have taken me a decade maybe.
If you don´t have any clue about programming, what I assume the original poster troll had, than I would give him this advice, doing that is like crying into a room full of persons with a different language and hoping for a response so that in the end you can figure out how the lanugage works.
As for the original poster, you don´t know how tedious the whole reverse engineering process on a binary level is, basically you stand in front of sheer numbers and try to guess the whole thing works and trying the brute force way to get a response. Its completely different to having a nice spec and then doing an implementation on top of it. I personally don´t think I could have done it, maybe I could, but it would have taken me a decade maybe.
If you don´t have any clue about programming, what I assume the original poster troll had, than I would give him this advice, doing that is like crying into a room full of persons with a different language and hoping for a response so that in the end you can figure out how the lanugage works.
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
Very well said Memory Dragon! It's a pity that people come steaming in and make remarks without thinking of the logic of what they are saying, probably the sort of person that gets a buzz from seeing the replies they get from posting shite.
Time to play Exult cos it's raining hard outside! (Either that or do the washing up before my wife gets home!)
Time to play Exult cos it's raining hard outside! (Either that or do the washing up before my wife gets home!)
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
OK, I was just fooling around, I did not mean what I said. Just trying to add some humour to this forum since it has been awhile since anything funny was posted.(I do own legit copies of ALL the Ultimas including uw1&2 and wou1&2)
Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
lord-g: as always one should remember to leave at least a little indication that it was a joke. A smiley perhaps.
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Re: Why sooooo long!!!!
I think Exult is one of the greatest projects ever done for the Gaming world.
greatest project...
As I said in another thread, I like Exult particularly because it showed results.
Not only did it allow us to play an Ultima, but even in its original form!
Not only did it allow us to play an Ultima, but even in its original form!
Dino the Dark Dragon
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