New Paperdoll Graphics

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:47 pm

because it looked a lot worse after the conversion than the others.. i went through and edited it heavily so it didnt look like.. uh.. someone vomited and they chose it as the skintone (sorry.. still not feelin great XD)

ill check it over again tomorrow.. see if i can get im lookin better

nex666 · Post by **nex666** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:04 pm

These are beautfil Crysta, they really fit into Ultima 7 as well

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:10 pm

that better? ^^;

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:16 pm

the Throwing Axe

ill have the holstered sprite for it sometime tomorrow or the day after.. im finally feeling better and want to see if i can get myself to draw somethin instead

if you can notice anything wrong with this one please tell me.. somethin isnt quite right and i just cant place it....

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:27 pm

Looks nice, but I think the angle formed by the blade and the handle should be wider.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:28 am

hmm.. you mean that the area where the blade joins the hilt hsould be wider then? ill see if i can make it look right

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:33 am

welll.. actually... im not so sure on that one..

im trying to go by the in-game graphics.. and if you look at them it goes rather fluidly from teh blade to the hilt... the bulge is all in the end of the blade

also, gotta remember that this thing is meant to be thrown... most likely even like a boomerang... i was trying to focus on that when i made it

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:35 am

OH!! Ohhh! I see what you meant! You mean the angle at which the blade leaves the handle should be wider! DOY I feel stupid... ok.. THAT I can do

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:54 am

now THAT looks right

please.. if you see anythign else tell me... it already looks so much better to me thanks to that

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:43 am

Nice, that one has a more natural throwing shape.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:16 am

anything you can see that needs to be touched up still?

Post by **artaxerxes** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:31 am

I think the second one looks better, but it's a tad too much. If you could reduce the angle a bit it would be perfect I think.

Artaxerxes

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:54 am

ok.. ill try

and sorry if the asking for feedback is annoying, but i find it much easier to get it perfect with it

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:04 am

better? worse? still need improvement?

just say which it is.. ill post the seperated graphic for it again when i have it finalized

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:15 am

That's much better.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:29 am

anything i still need to fix? XD

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:12 am

Well, I think the edge is not right. Since the axe will be spinning, the edge should not be in the concave section. It's more likely to be in the the tip and the convex section. I know how to use throwing blades and can distinguish good designs from bad ones.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:14 am

ill take the silence as meaning its good enough to leave as is xP

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:16 am

oop.. spoke too soon xD

ok.. ill try flippinf the blade

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:23 am

and by "tip", I mean the section that divides the concave from the convex.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:29 am

more like that then?

(sorry.. i know little about this kind of weapon XD)

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:45 am

Yes. That weapon will certainly pierce its target no matter at what angle it originally hits. Even if the impact is with the butt of the handle, the spinning will do some leverage to the blade and make it hit.

Now if you wish to be more faithful to the U7 graphics, you should invert that tip section. Taking into consideration the angle it's being displayed at, trimming it in almost vertically and reworking on the tip's edge should do.

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:51 am

On the topic of being faithful to the U7 graphics, the axes have the edge on the tip section only.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:36 pm

i noticed that... but the edge is also on both sides on the U7 one, isnt it?
(at least ont he tip i mean.. its more of an attached blade)

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:38 pm

oh.. wait.. i see.. yes yes..

jsut hope it comes out lookign good

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:45 pm

so.. like this to be accurate to the U7 graphics (which is most definitely what im trying to do

)

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:33 am

oop.. forgot a '?' in that last post.. lol

i cant move forward and make the other sprite for it till i have this one done

guess i should start on the cadellite helm for now..

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:07 am

Well, now that I checked the U7 graphics again, I think the trimming was not so vertical, but more like parallel to the handle. I think it should be done after that.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:12 am

ok.. lol

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:58 am

so.. is this finally it?

Gradilla Dragon · Post by **Gradilla Dragon** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:51 am

Definitely. What's next?

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:34 am

lol... next i do the thigh graphic for the axe.. then comes the cadellite helm.. and after that.. im not sure.. i might do the main gauche.. lol

theres the seperate sprite to be worked in

Post by **marzo** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:07 pm

Things that you may consider doing (extracted from "gumps/Paperdoll_gump_info.cc"):

-- Love arrows (currently use Serpent Arrow graphics);
-- Bag, barrel, sealed box, box, chest, locked chest, basket and crate behind back (in backpack position);
-- Avatar costume;
-- Star bursts.

These are all marked as needing art in the aforementioned file.

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:34 pm

ooo... i was going to do starbursts and forgot.. lol.. the real problem with those is that theyd look best being held in a new hand graphic.. but, like its been said before, thats tough.... id have to draw seperate graphics for each type of glove for both sexes

plus... how is it even thrown? tossed? like a boomerang?

and yes, the avatar costume is on my list.. just farther down cause i need a bit more practice before i do somethin that large ;p

as to the containers... i doubt those would work well... i mean the backpack has straps.. what, they supposed to use random pieces of rope to strap a crate to their back?

now, in their HANDS i might do.. have wanted a sprite for carrying a crate for a while

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:37 pm

oh.. and love arrows.. ill definitely do those sometime soon... its one of those "sounds like fun" ones :p

in fact.. i might do that next.. or even before i finish the thigh one for the axe.. lol

Post by **marzo** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:03 pm

I agree with you that the containers in the backpack are weird, but unlike SI, BG allows them to be placed there... so having paperdoll art for it would just improve overall graphic quality. That is, if anyone actually *uses* crates as backpacks...

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:56 pm

couldnt decide which worked better... left one i drew and such.. right one is a recolored (and redrawn on the feathered end) unused arrow sprite form the SI graphics.. the pink color cycles in both

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:59 pm

good point.. i might end up trying it.. might not

for the record, ive always thought that it might be a good idea to reprogram the paperdolls to work like the SI ones, at least while the SI style paperdolls are in-use in BG... they only have slight variances in slots and item restrictions after all...

should i do a feature request for it?

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:43 pm

the Starburst

im suprised i could find a way around the fact that i couldnt redraw all of those hands.. i think it works well as a pseudo-shuriken

yeah.. theres a hole in the middle.. needed a way to be able to string a small cord through to connect it to the belt

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:43 pm

oh.. and as always, the blue cycles... what was with the U7 team and cycling colors.. lol..

Post by **marzo** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:19 pm

It is a cheap way to have animations (cheap in the sense that it doesn't take up more memory/disk space). If I remember correctly, of the last 32 colors (the last two rows in the image I posted way above), all but the last four cycle, some in groups of four, some in groups of eight. Which remonds me... did you use any of those colors in places where the colors aren't supposed to cycle (such as the portraits)?

Sissy Knox- not logged in :( · Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:33 pm

The cycling colors (only the ones that have four color cycles) are also transparencies- I believe there is a flag you can mark on objects that will determine whether to use the psychedelic flashing colors, or a transparency.

I have a chart on The Fashionable Avatar for reference:

http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/xe ... vatar.html

I know that in SI, some portraits use these colors (on jewelry and the like, for example- Columna's necklace, Bucia's headband, etc)- they can turn out all miscolored because the transparency flag is set on the portraits for whatever reason.

However, sometimes they work...or at least, I swear I've seen them correctly on occasion...o_O

nex666 · Post by **nex666** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:46 pm

Crystal Elf, this all looks great

I've done some paperdoll graphics for..Ultima Online. But yours are much better, especially considering they're from scratch!

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:48 am

to my knowlege i didnt use any in places where they shouldnt be... i knew enough to not use those colors as there were a few small rows that cycled... i definitely want the cycling ones tho.. just in the right places...

to put it best, we dont need a repeat of the 'Spark incident'

we'll see if i did well enough if these make it into the game

Sam, you did some for UO? Did you post them on the Stratics board anywhere?

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:31 am

makes me kinda happy that bladed weapons in that position as so standardized when it comes to their sprites.. makes it easy to mimic the original style

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:58 am

done quickly, but im quite happy with it

finally did the Caddellite helm like I said i would

yes its jsut a heavily edited version of the sprite we have now, but I always invisioned it as being that way... just enough changes to it to make it look unique

next i think im going to try to do a BG-styled magic helm to replace the SI magic helm... i see it as one of the only ways to hide Spark's misshapen head (he dont look right XD)

that or the main gauche.. lol

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:03 am

just remembered ive had this sitting around for a while now ^^;

unfortunately... i dont know how good it would look with cycling colors.. is there anyone here that could test it for me and report back?

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:10 am

(just cause... also has my magic gorget on)

see? its really impossible to tell unless its tested in-game..

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:17 am

actually.. forget i posted those... lol

they really arent that great.. i think im gonna jsut start over

(the magic helm i mean... Caddellite one is prefct

)

Crysta the Elf · Post by **Crysta the Elf** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:55 am

almost forgot I said id post this in here.. lol

only thing i did was move the chest circle down some so his face didnt have to be ruined by it